Eddie Henderson Interview
Trumpeter Eddie Henderson has lived an interesting life. On the one hand, he’s been a successful physician and scholar (studying zoology, medicine, and psychiatry). On the other, he’s a living legend in Jazz music, playing with Herbie Hancock, Art Blakey, and Pharoah Sanders. He’s in the KMHD artist spotlight all week long, and I had a chance to catch up with Eddie at his home on the East Coast for a bit last week, listen below for the results!
-Derek Smith, host of The Morning Session weekdays 7-10 AM
Local Jazz spotlight this week…
This week, we’ve got a thematic artist spotlight on KMHD – featuring all local musicians. As we work our way toward the beginning of the Portland Jazz Festival (which begins this Friday), we’ll be listening to the sounds that make Portland a special place for Jazz.
Thanks to Oregon Art Beat, who produced this special video slide show of local musicians performing at this years festival.
New Jazz from PDX: The Ocular Concern
Part two in a series exploring cutting-edge modern Jazz in Portland and the musicians that make it.
The Ocular Concern, a Portland-based three-piece indie-jazz band comprised of Andrew Oliver (electric piano), Dan Duval (electric guitar), and Stephen Pacerev (drums) create minimalist, genre redefining music (The band’s website describes their music as “Indie-Jazz and other curiosities).
I recently sat down with Dan and Andrew to discuss the Portland jazz scene, upcoming projects, and some of their favorite jazz records.
Ashawnta Jackson: Can you tell me a bit about how The Ocular Concern started?
Andrew Oliver: We started in April of last year, so a little over a year.
Dan Duval: Sounds about right. It sort of evolved from some more casual playing situations that had been happening off and on.
AO: We’d been playing some duo, just guitar and piano, and Dan, you’d been playing with Dan in some other group, and that eventually stopped happening, so we just put them together, I guess. We really just wanted to augment the duo, but we didn’t want to add bass, we went with drums because it was a little more atypical.
DD: Everyone was really happy when Steven [Pancerev] moved back to town. He’d spent five years in Rhode Island and before he left for Rhode Island, I had met him and played with him one time and then when he came back everyone was excited to work with him again. Andrew and I were some of the first people to monopolize his schedule. It was good timing that way. We manipulated the situation as well as we could [laughs].
AJ: You two are fairly young, and for jazz musicians, that’s got to be kind of interesting, to be so young and so involved in the jazz community. Do you find that jazz community here, especially for young people, is a growing thing, a nurturing kind of community?
AO: I think there are a lot of good musicians here. More than in a lot of cities of this size, I would imagine. The cost of living is not so high and it’s a good climate for artists of all kinds, and that certainly has created a situation where there are a lot of great musicians. There are a lot of opportunities to play with people and to try new things. But, there’s not necessarily as much of a demand as there is a supply, and that’s the hard part. It is possible to make some waves in the music scene and to get people to pay attention to what you’re doing, but it is difficult. I guess that’s the hurdle, but it’s not a lack of talent, that’s for sure.
DD: I think you make a good point that the jazz world often is not a youth culture these days, but there’s some notable people trying to address that. Our friend, Ben Darwish is a great local musician who doing sort of jazz youth outreach, you could say, by having a sort of funk band and all kinds of other thing that aren’t you typical boring, college jazz activities.
AO: There’s certainly some movement in that direction in town people trying to be more open minded about how they define jazz.
DD: The Blue Cranes are very interested in playing in non-traditional venues; house parties, basements, warehouses, art galleries, rock clubs, anything, and a lot of these people are involved in the more traditional forums for playing jazz like the schools or concert halls. So it’s nice that there’s so much cross over in Portland.
AJ: You mentioned that people are really interested in redefining what jazz means; it doesn’t have to be what people have traditionally thought of it. So how do you, personally, define what jazz is?
DD: I’m not so sure I know what it means, or if I even play jazz, but it seems to be the word that’s more appropriate than other words for what we do. It’s by default maybe.
AO: Yeah, I think so. It’s become such a broad thing, you know, and at the same time jazz has progressed, especially since the 60s, post 60s-
DD: Yeah, post Miles [Davis] fusion.
AO: It has become so broad that no one- it can mean so many things and I think that some people have a very narrow definition of it, musicians and non-musicians. And some audience members and people will have totally bizarre conceptions about what jazz is based on the numerous things that have happened in the last hundred years. So it’s hard to say as easily as it would have been in say, 1959, to say that you play jazz and everyone has an idea of what that sounds like. Whereas now it ranges from what we play in The Ocular Concern to some sort of jazz-funk thing to old-time jazz and swing. The lack of good defining genre terms is a constant frustration- for me anyway.
DD: We’ve all [jazz musicians] have had the experience of going to some gig and talking to an audience member or to a cocktail party or something and saying “I’m a jazz musician” and they say “I love jazz! I have two Kenny G records” and you realize you’re not on the same page. We’ve all had that experience. That’s why I’m reticent to use the word; I don’t want to make people think that I’m doing something that’s got nothing to do with what I do.
AO: Or they say “Every time I’ve heard jazz, I’ve hated it, except this was a really interesting concert.” What does that mean, what have you heard? [laughs]
DD: With all that variety out there, people have often only heard one random album from all that variety and they think that’s what it is.
AJ: It seems that people are afraid of jazz sometimes. What do you think that comes from?
DD: I think jazz musicians often behave in a very insular way and it makes other people feel isolated and if you’re not “in” they’re looking down on you. Much of jazz culture is self defeating in that way.
AO: And I think people are also afraid, or wary, of something they think might be pretentious, or not accessible.
DD: Or not fun.
AO: Yeah, maybe not fun and not accessible depending on what they’ve heard.
AJ: What brought you to this music? Who are some of your influences?
DD: [Points to Andrew] Jelly Roll Morton for you.
AO: Yeah, I started with early jazz, 20s jazz and ragtime, because I played classical music for many years and started discovering that music from ragtime. Then I moved into jazz from there in a chronological way. That was pretty interesting because every so often I’d become less dogmatic “Oh hey, maybe music from the 40s is ok.” “Maybe music from the 50s is ok” [laughs} so I’ve gone through in that way, but by no means comprehensively. And recently I’ve been exploring a lot of African music over the past five years or so, West African music specifically, and trying to bring that in a little bit as an influence in composing but now I’m also trying to be more conscious of things that people want to hear it’s possible to be artistic and also not hit people over the head too hard. And sometimes when you’re in a jazz school, for example, or an atmosphere like that, the level of complexity that you hear on a regular basis is quite high and sometimes can actually be unpleasant from a certain perspective.
DD: It can be overbearing.
AO: Yeah. I’ve been trying to listen to my music and other music a little more objectively trying to get outside from a musician’s perspective and see what elements are of interest from that point of view. Just try to ground it a bit more. So, that’s been another sort of side interest for a while. Not dumbing it down, just thinking about who you’re writing it for.
DD: I did roughly the opposite of what Andrew did; I went backwards chronology when it came to discovering jazz as a young person. I grew up on rock and pop music and also studied music and played a little piano and guitar, so I had a framework. Then eventually I found out about Bitches’ Brew. It was the first jazz album I ever had. I heard John McLaughlin play the guitar, and was like, “Whoa, I want to know what’s up with that!” And then I heard Herbie Hancock and Miles and different things from the 60s and kind of going back from there. I had to keep asking teachers questions and they kept saying, “Well, you don’t know what you’re talking about because you haven’t listened to this other, older record.” And so, all right, I guess I better listen to that. Always, of course, I ended up loving it.
AJ: What are you listening to now?
AO: I’ve really become interested in really straight-ahead west coast jazz of the 50s. As strange as that may seem. The west coast jazz scene was much maligned by the east coast jazz scene, and by extension, at least in my experience, in jazz school. Even here [in Portland], no one is really listening to a lot of that stuff…. there’s a certain attitude that seems to go with that scene. So I’ve recently been discovering all of the great things that took place in LA music scene, and I’ve really been enjoying checking all of that out. There’s some really great arranging. I’ve also been exploring the improvised music of the 70s and 80s more, aside from the fusion movement. Jazz fusion became the most prominent form of jazz in that time period, but there’s a lot of great acoustic music that was sort of underground because there wasn’t so much of a demand for it. Artists such as Waddada Leo Smith, the AACM guys, Paul Bley, Woody Shaw-
DD: Anthony Braxton.
DD: For jazz, I’ve been listening to the Refuge Trio, which everyone should get a copy of. And also, I’ve been listening obsessively to Donuts by J. Dilla because in February we’re doing a tribute show to him on his birthday, so that’s kind of a fun project on the horizon.
AJ: Ok, last question. If you had to give someone just one album to introduce them to jazz, what would it be?
AO: That’s a good question. Of course, the stock answer would be Kind of Blue, or something.
DD: Yeah, that’s the stock answer.
AO: I was so bored by that record for so many years before I learned to like it, I don’t think I would ever start anyone on jazz with that record.
DD: Maybe the current Blue Cranes release?
AO: Ah, yeah. Observatories. It depends on what their background is, you know?
DD: Yeah, what else do they like to listen to?
AO: It depends on what they like to listen to. If they like to listen to, like, modern rock or contemporary indie rock, then I would go in that direction- Claudia Quintet or Blue Cranes
DD: Claudia Quintet may be a sort of litmus test to see how much sophistication they can stomach.
AO: At first listen, it might be a bit much.
DD: It’s one of my favorites, though.
AO: If they like things that are swinging, then maybe- I don’t know, such a tough question….
DD: Bitches Brew was a great first jazz album for me. But maybe that’s just more about me then about jazz, though.
AO: What about Soul Station by Hank Mobley?
DD: I don’t know that record.
AO: That’s the best straight ahead record.
DD: Or Body Talk by George Benson? It’s a great, accessible funk-jazz record from the 70s.
AO: Something like Soul Station would be good because it’s a absolute bible of straight ahead playing. The most swinging record.
DD: Or any Bill Evans-
AO: Oh, Bill Evans at the Village Vanguard, that would be great. Well, I guess there’s not just one answer [laughs].
DD: Yeah, there’s ten answers for you [laughs].
You can catch The Ocular Concern Sunday, August 7 at The Blue Monk.
-Ashawnta Jackson, KMHD Blogger
New Jazz from PDX: Blue Cranes
Editors note: This is the first in a series exploring some of the cutting-edge modern Jazz sounds and the musicians that make it in Portland.
Equally at home in the jazz, punk, and rock scenes, the Portland based band, Blue Cranes hit the road recently in an unusual take on the U.S. tour. The band, comprised of Reed Wallsmith (alto saxophone), Sly Pig (tenor saxophone), Rebecca Sanborn (keyboards), Keith Brush (acoustic bass), and Ji Tanzer (drums), completed their first national tour entirely by train.
I caught up with Wallsmith recently to talk about the band’s tour.
Tell me a bit about the train tour. How did the band come up with the idea? Was it something in particular about train travel that appealed to you?
Our original reason for going by train was that we wanted to tour nationally, but didn’t want to cram into a van all the way across the country and back. So it was an idea based in comfort, really.
Trains also opened up the possibility of easily traveling with more than five people (our van’s capacity is five), which opened up the possibility that friends could join us to help out and have fun. The amount of comfortable workspace on a train seemed like it would make it possible for those of us who could work remotely via laptop to continue doing our day jobs too, which made it possible to consider being “on the road” for a longer period of time.
The more we thought about it, the more train travel seemed to really make a lot of sense, and we couldn’t figure out why more bands weren’t doing it. The main obstacle to us was cost, which is why we needed to launch a big fundraiser nine months before we left.
Touring by train also had political meaning for some of us. We wanted to help promote a form of travel that has so many environmental and social benefits, but has been so decimated by competing financial interests–the automobile industry chief among them. It was our hope that by raising public awareness around the country about our rail system, we could contribute in some small way to it being better funded and more accessible someday.
In reading your tour diary, there is something quite nostalgic about the experience- and not just because of the train travel. There’s something really sweet and sort of maybe, quaint, about the whole adventure. The way that you and your band mates connected with people in random ways; the way people opened their homes for you; those sorts of things feel like they don’t happen often. Did you find that to be true?
The limitations of traveling by train led to some of the coolest parts of our trip. We ended up being very dependent on other people throughout our travels. It’s a common goal in American culture, perhaps even more so amongst those of us who are men, to want to be completely independent and self-sufficient; to not need help from anyone. Throughout this month, we were the antithesis of this goal. Traveling on trains while carrying lots of baggage, coupled with not having a lot of money, meant that we were highly dependent on establishing relationships with people in each city for help with rides and places to stay.
Through meeting all of the people that we squished into cars with, tied down gear onto a flatbed truck with, figured out public transportation with, and stayed with (not to mention rode on a train with), I think that we had a much richer experience in each city.
It’s amazing to think about how different, and in many ways limited, our experiences would have been had we rolled up to each venue in a van guided by a GPS, and stayed comparatively isolated amongst ourselves in motels after each show.
Have the connections with the people and places you’ve experienced on the trip changed the way you think about your music?
I have come away from our first national tour with a recognition that what we are doing is really important, and that who we are, what we know, where we live, and what we play is, on some deep level, enough. That’s not to say that there are not ways that I want to grow, things I want to practice, places I want to explore, etc… but, I think that what I feel very profoundly now is that we don’t have anything to hide. We are who we are, we’re good at what we’re good at, we’re not good at what we’re not good at, and that’s okay. Musically, I think this tour helped deepen our sense of confidence as a band to open up on stage, to challenge each other, and to take more risks.
Catch the Blue Cranes at the Washington Park Ampitheater for a collaborative show with the Northwest Dance Theater on Friday, August 12.
Ashawnta Jackson, KMHD Blogger
Scenes from the Vancouver International Jazz Festival
On June 15th, shortly before sunset, the Stanley Cup Finals came to an end in a manner that most cities dread: large-scale rioting.
A short 8 days after these destructive hockey riots rocked the otherwise peaceful city to it’s core, The Vancouver International Jazz festival seemed to come at the most opportune of moments. What does it take for a city like this to get back to normal? Jazz. And a festival celebrating the worldwide unifying spirit of this music was right around the corner.
The first person I saw when I got to Vancouver was John Orysik, Media Director for the festival. “So sorry about your Canucks, John” I said “even more sorry about what happened afterwards.” To which Orsyk, a smile stretching across his face, responded “Perfect time for a Jazz Festival.”
The boarded up windows of businesses are all that’s left as a reminder of that terrible night, like band-aids covering up cuts and bruises. Passers by leave notes with sentiments that are aimed at thanking and comforting the business owners – and at showing what kind of a city Vancouver really is.
Last week, I traveled north to cover one of the world’s most interesting celebrations of Jazz music. The Vancouver International Jazz festival is just that, a mix of what’s happening now in the world of Jazz. From Norway, Spain, Africa, the U.S. and seemingly every western European country – representatives from around the world gather in one of North America’s most beautiful cities to play for enthusiastic crowds.
My first show at the festival started with a bang. German saxophonist Peter Brotzmann’s Full Blast is just that – a white-knuckle ride through what could only be described as the heavy metal of jazz. The saxophonist’s lyrical playing was loud, dissonant and absolutely indescribable. You just have to see it first hand to really get it, and I’m glad I did.
Swedish super-group Tonbruket (led by bassist Dan Berglund) played a set that moved from ballad to rhythmic instrumental, sometimes within the same song. Their brand of Jazz fusion melded indie rock with indian rhythms and what sounded at times like Dick Dale-influenced surf guitar.
One of Jaga Jazzist’s 6 North American tour dates came through the festival and the large ensemble didn’t disappoint, playing for a raucous, enthusiastic crowd. Their energetic mix seemed to hit the right note for the standing-room only audience.
Robert Glasper’s soulful touch was evident throughout his lulling, rollicking acoustic set. This sold-out 3 performance set was a wonderful thing to behold, and Glasper seemed to truly appreciate the audiences familiarity with his work. His version of Nirvana’s “Smells like Teen Spirit” was a highlight.
Darcy James Argue’s Secret Society was one of two large ensembles to play on the first Sunday of the festival. Argue’s composition’s are heady-yet accessible pieces that are often themed (Buckminster Fuller and author David Foster Wallace were prominent inspirations). The composer and band-leader now resides in Brooklyn, but is originally from Vancouver and was met with a warm reception from his hometown audience.
Wynton Marsalis and the Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra were in top form when they performed in the Vancouver Symphonies’ Orpheum Theatre. As per usual, they swayed between Ellingtonia and post-bop arrangements with ease and grace (even going as far as to perform Herbie Hancock’s “riot”). In the context of a cutting-edge Jazz festival like this one, The Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra added a supreme level of sophistication, demonstrating that the birthplace of Jazz still produces some of the most amazing musicians in the world.
One of the unexpected treats of the festival was getting to sit down for some traditional Japanese Izakaya (tavern) food with Jazz at Lincoln Center’s stellar pianist, Dan Nimmer. Nimmer invited me afterward to the festival’s closed-door jam session, where the entire 15-member Orchestra rotated on the small stage of the Listel Hotel’s bar, calling tunes until 2 AM.
As Jazz fans, we make pilgrimages to places like these to be taken out of our element for a bit to experience something special. The Vancouver International Jazz Festival certainly delivered that experience, and for the city’s residents – it couldn’t have come at a better time.
Matt Fleeger, Program Director
Artist Profile: Barbara Morrison
BARBARA MORRISON: SHE HAS WHAT IT TAKES
By Deborah DeMoss Smith
“Every once in awhile you have to sing the blues, you know?” asked the singer as the trio behind her started playing Doing the Honky Tonk. But it was not only the blues that filled the elegant Casa Del Mar lounge that autumn night in Santa Monica, but also jazz, as veteran vocalist Barbara Morrison’s first set treated the audience to I Loves You, Porgy, Them There Eyes, No Greater Love, Shiny Stockings and Sweet Georgia Brown.
Her voice, both melodic and spirited, reflected an artist in command of her talent. She has recorded over 20 albums, voice tracks for commercials and movies, and toured the world with her music. She can move your heart with a ballad or your body with swing, and speaking with her during her breaks, I learned she could also move you with her stories.
Her jazz, blues and gospel history includes performing with some of the influential names of the day: Ron Carter, Cedar Walton, Kenny Burrell, James Moody, Esther Phillips, Kenny Burrell, Leroy Vinnegar, Joe Sample, Ray Brown, Dizzy Gillespie, Eddie Cleanhead Vinson, Nancy Wilson and Teddy Edwards. Relaxing with her water, Barbara offered distinct memories of those moments.
From the early days, the first memory centered around bassist Ray Brown: “People always ask who you liked the most when you started your career. Well, I liked Sammy Davis, Jr.! That’s who I wanted to be like. When I finally got to meet him we talked, he encouraged me and ended up giving me a telephone number, telling me to tell the man who answered that he’d sent me, who I was and that I was serious about my career. I called soon after that. A man answered in a distracted voice calling himself Ray. I told him Sammy had given me his number and that I was a singer and wanted to work and record. Then, he put the phone away from his mouth and said something in a frustrated tone to someone in the room named Ella, then he came back to me and said to call him in 10 years and hung up! I wasn’t going to wait so I just kept singing. Not long after that I was singing in a small club and an impressive man strode into the place talking loud, saying ‘Where is she? I want to record with her, work with her at Blue Note’. Of course, I found out he was the great bassist Ray Brown and Ella was Ella Fitzgerald.”
Dizzy Gillespie, said Barbara, was not very well known to her but a European tour changed that. “I was 21 and I didn’t know all the big names yet. I didn’t know Dizzy. In fact, I missed knowing a lot of folks I wished I’d known, like Joe Turner, but I was too young. When I was in Nice, France on tour with other musicians there too, I went into the restaurant to have breakfast. I sat down and began looking at the menu. I looked around the room and saw this man reading the paper and eating. I returned to the menu again and I heard someone say very nicely ‘come over here and eat with me”. It was the man across the way. I think he mentioned something about music, so I figured he was ok, so I joined him, letting him know I was only interested in being friendly. (Barbara laughed.) We talked music, ate and joked around. Only later did I find out just who he REALLY was…Dizzy Gillespie. And I did perform with him later many times.”
As to how she honed her distinctive style, Barbara said she didn’t start with it for sure: “Early on, I’d go buy singers’ recordings and listen to them over and over again, Sarah, Esther, Dinah to try to sound like them. Then one day when I was singing with Eddie Cleanhead Vinson’s Band, he turned to me when the gig was over and said ‘Quit copying others! Get your own style!’. I took Dad’s advice – I called him Dad – and did it my way.” With a knowing smile, she adds: “I think I got my own style.”
An affinity for the blues and an interpretative voice that can push the envelope, Barbara said one memory she had for performing that genre centers around the 1984 Olympics in her now home town of Los Angeles: “I was singing at the Olympics Blues Festival and we got word that Esther Phillips had died. Of course, she was one of my blues influences and I’d worked with her. I was thrown, but then Etta James, who was on the program, walked up and we just began singing Esther classics. It was a howling time.”
In the early 1990s, while performing at SRI in Los Angeles, Barbara had quite a different experience – though a little surreal, she said: “I was singing This Bitter Earth with this big band and I begin hearing an echo of the lyrics around me. I thought what is that. I keep singing ‘This bitter earth can it be so cold, today you’re young, too soon your old’ and this female voice kept echoing what I was doing…but it wasn’t my voice. Looking around the audience, the stage and seeing nothing, I was baffled, but kept singing. When the song was over, the lights went up and there in the back was Nancy Wilson! She was singing those lyrics. Boy, not only was I glad to see her but I was really glad to know I wasn’t imagining that voice!”
Clapping her hands and laughing, Barbara headed back on stage to sing with the Stu Elster Trio: Stu on piano, Richard Simon on bass and Lee Spat on drums. She would deliver tunes with insouciance or a fiery torch or some serious scatting: Blue Skies, Paper Moon, I’ve Got the World on a String, It Don’t Mean A Thing, This Girl’s in Love with You, Yesterday, Perdido and Don’t Touch Me.
When Barbara returned to the table for our good-byes, I asked her about that last tune. She’d delivered Don’t Touch Me, a torch song, with relentless passion. As an on-air host on KMHD, I like to play the tune. The lyrics are basic emotion plus I’d known personally the composer, the late saxophonist Teddy Edwards. Seems we both did: “Teddy was a good friend of mine. After the song came out and people started covering it, including me, I called him up and said, ‘Now, Teddy, I know you wrote that song for me.’ He’d laugh but never admit it. Of course, when he was terminally ill, as his neighbor then, I’d go over to his place and help out…clean, wash his clothes and anything he might need. He was a good friend and a good man.”
And good is something Barbara Morrison should know about. After the fine performance that night, it was easy to see why she’s gained worldwide accolades for her work, for it’s no doubt she has what it takes: a genuine passion for jazz and blues, which she so richly expresses each time she sings. Though if you ask her about that, she credits her partner, the music itself: “I get to relax and be free. The problems go away. It cleanses me!”











